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Subject: OFF: использовать ли субтитры в видео? gen.
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link 27.12.2015 20:34 |
| Boris Johnson (current Mayor of London) is a notoriously poor speaker. Half of Britain can't understand him. When he first stood for election, several newspapers joked that "he can't string two words together", ie he can't put a short sentence together without getting the words and/or the grammar wrong. So if you can't understand him, 'Join the club!' (In other words, you're the same as the rest of us!) |
| Could you give a couple of examples? |
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link 27.12.2015 22:13 |
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He's well-known for his flowery language and for using three words where one would suffice. For example here, where he calls members of the London Assembly 'great supine protoplasmic invertebrate jellies' (='cowards' in Earth language): http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg6SRlQervo ... and here, where he's opening The Shard, a multi-storey office block in London: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YXz27rS1-Ek Can you decrypt this? If so, please tell the British people what he's saying! |
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Аскеру на заметку: Эпосмотрите вот эти два сайта: Breakingnewsenglish.com |
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link 27.12.2015 23:39 |
| They're both excellent sites. |
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johnstephenson Well... He said "I've written tons of poetry". He's a poet; it sounds good for me. I'd be proud to be a Londoner. Not all of those in NY or in Moscow understand poetry. The British people don't need to decrypt this or that. Does everybody understand Edward Lear's "literary nonsense"? Nop. So what? Thank God Boris Johnson is not Edward Lear! Otherwise, he could say: He reads but he cannot speak Spanish, He cannot abide ginger-beer; Ere the days of his pilgrimage vanish, How pleasant to know Mr. I'm kidding :) |
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Аудиокниги - и проблема решена! Никаких лишних шумов, только речь и сюжет. Если брать популярные романы-детективы, то в крайнем случае всегда можно найти текст и подсмотреть совсем уж непонятный кусок. Тем более, если вам нравятся Walking Dead, существует множество современных аудиокниг на эту тематику. |
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Смотрите первый раз без субтитров, старайтесь понять, перемотайте пару раз, если не получается - тогда с субтитрами. Я думаю, наоборот, важно когда есть background noise, т.к. в жизни в речи как правило всегда есть background noise, привыкайте к реальности :-) |
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К слову о том, что сказали про речи политиков - попробуйте еще TED Talks. Набор тем самый разнообразный - от здравоохранения до моды :) Не так утомительно, как слушать политиков (если это, как говорится, не ваша чашка сугревающего напитку:) ) А спикеры обычно тоже говорят четко и достаточно медленно, чтобы можно было разобрать смысл. Кстати, LinguaLeo у себя на сайте сделали просмотр TED с целью изучения языка еще более удобным, вот тут можно посмотреть: Есть возможность включить и отключить субтитры - но то же самое есть и на YouTube, это не самое интересное. Интересно здесь то, что на каждое слово можно клацнуть и сразу получить перевод, и есть возможность открыть весь текст выступления (чтобы, например, прояснить для себя непонятные моменты после прослушивания). Зарегистрированные пользователи, по-моему, могут даже в свой собственный словарик незнакомые слова собрать и с ними потом работать, но так глубоко я не вникала, лучше посмотрите сами :) |
| No subtitles! That's when you grow! |
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link 28.12.2015 17:06 |
| LinuxUsr: Yes, forget the subtitles -- they'll just make you lazy. Only put them on once you've listened to the sound-track lots of times and then listened again a few hours later/the next day, and still can't work out what's being said. And then switch them off again straightaway. |
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johnstephenson, "notoriously poor speaker" )) lol, thank you, added to my voc. lisulya, (my RU layout is still not working) AnnaBel, audiobooks are good but I prefer live radio (e.g. BBC channels) |
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mikhailS, "I love america because it's full of americans" |
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You can listen to politicians or you can listen to the "Politicians" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUU_WtXierM |
| (Без артикуля, конечно) |
| Back to the original entry: try my site: usconversation.com. There is a demo lesson there. Take a look, let me know if you like what you see... |
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link 28.12.2015 23:12 |
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LinuxUsr: Yes, Bush wasn't the world's best speaker! stachel: Interesting, but which ones makes the worst noise -- politicians or the Politicians? LinuxUsr: If you want to learn spoken English via comedy, the 'Blackadder Goes Forth' series had some quite clear English-speakers in it. The series was set during World War I. It ridicules the British class system and the madness of war. Captain Blackadder is the intelligent but cynical one, Private Baldrick is the stupid one, and Lieutenant George is the upper-class twit who talks a lot of aristocratic English, much of which no-one else understands. General Melchett is also an aristocrat, but in addition is slightly mad. So don't worry if you can't understand these two! 'The Boat Race' = the annual boat race between Oxford and Cambridge Universities. |
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link 28.12.2015 23:26 |
| PS: Don't bother with the earlier 'Blackadder' series [plural], as they're set in much earlier eras and so use a lot of obsolete English terms. |
| I absolutely LOVE earlier Blackadder epsodes, especially the one about the Spanish Infanta (being able to understand Spanish makes it even more enjoyable). however, I desperately wanted subtitles when watching episode 1 (The Foretelling), and not because of obsolete terms (didn't come across many of them), but because of the way the characters talked... afterwards, I got used to it when watching episode 2 and along, though I still had to replay some parts to better hear what they were saying... |
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Ooooh, that was challenging. I must admit I had to listen to this bit about the shard several times before I figured out what he was saying. Please correct me if I'm wrong: ...And the shard is like something that is prodding up... Renzo... Prodding up through the frail integuments of the planet. Like a gigantic... like an intergalactic spear isn't it. It's like the, it's like the tip of a cocktail stick emerging through the skin of a super-collosal pickled onion. |
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link 30.12.2015 0:18 |
| trtrtr: You've got it! Mind you, I don't know who or what Renzo was, but then I never did Classics, and I had to look up 'integuments'. Johnson tends to come out with these bizarre references to Greek/Latin dramatic characters. The other 99% of us haven't a clue what he's talking about. |
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Yes! It was designed by the Italian architect Renzo Piano https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shard |
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link 30.12.2015 20:56 |
| I see. So "[the Shard is] like something that is prodding up... Renzo". I think Johnson just likes to impress people with the number of obscure words he can cram into each sentence. |
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link 31.12.2015 9:33 |
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Мне TEDx Talks нравится смотреть - ораторы, как правило, говорят чётко и понятно + затрагиваются самые разные интересные темы. Например: How to learn any language in six months: |
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link 31.12.2015 9:58 |
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