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 Nite

link 17.11.2011 11:38 
Subject: Perfect or Future-in-the-Past gram.
Good day, dear colleagues!
Везде Future-in-the-Past или я давно не делала контрольные?

Economists understood that inflation (to cause) many economic problems by the end of the previous year.
Some specialists feared that they (not to provide) a stable monetary system in future.
The people in the industrial countries knew that at that time they (to depend) heavily on imported oil.

 Wolverin

link 17.11.2011 11:41 
давно не делала

 Nite

link 17.11.2011 11:48 
Check please
1. had caused
2. would not provide
3. were depending

 Lonely Knight

link 17.11.2011 11:52 
я бы в третьем написал просто depended... но контрольных тоже давно не делал))

 Nite

link 17.11.2011 11:55 
переумничала однако)) Данке шён

 Wolverin

link 17.11.2011 11:55 
correct

 Nite

link 17.11.2011 11:59 
1. Macroeconomists predicted that inflation (to get better).

2. The early economists believed that the price of commodity (to depend) on the labour which was needed to produce it.

3. The OPEC group showed how quickly the balance of economic power (to change) by the end of the last decade.

В первом и втором случаях глаголы в главных предложениях опять подталкивают меня к would.

3. Past Perfect

 Wolverin

link 17.11.2011 12:00 
No, 'were depending' is more like it because = during that period.
So, you were right, Nite :)) (NPI)

Of course one can speculate that 'at that time' means exactly 'on that day'.
Theoretically, it could be 'depended' (~if on an exact day, for instance), but I would prefer 'were depending'

 Nite

link 17.11.2011 12:08 
/шопотом/ damned grammar... who uses it?
Thanks, Wolverin.

 Mr_Amorous

link 17.11.2011 12:17 
2 Nite

С возвращением! ))

У вас там что ли аттестация переводчиков?

 Nite

link 17.11.2011 12:21 
Привет миста!
Я погрязла в работе, перевела целого кальмар-ричстакера. А это халтурка, которая как лакмусова бумажка показала, что тупеем мы на технических переводах без должного практикования заумных грамматических оборотов. С поднебесной выбрался?

 Lonely Knight

link 17.11.2011 12:29 
1. price is singular, so "was depending"
2. depend is not usually used in continuous

 Wolverin

link 17.11.2011 12:40 
LK,
Have you been drinking?
1) "price is singular, so "was depending" "
This is what I referred to:
"The people in the industrial countries knew that at that time they were depending heavily on imported oil.

- WHAT PRICE? -.

2) "depend is not usually used in continuous"
yeah, right. May I ask why? And who told you that? Google-fight?

 Lonely Knight

link 17.11.2011 12:54 
Wolverin, make love, not war))) no google-fight.

For me "were depending" sounds a little bit odd. I'm not sure, but doesn't grammar books say something about verbs not commonly used in cont.? I just thought "depend" was one of them.

 Lonely Knight

link 17.11.2011 12:56 
shoot, my own grammar is terrible )))

 Wolverin

link 17.11.2011 13:11 
What war? It's cool. Don't worry. You just need to get your bearings, man.

"shoot, my own grammar is terrible"
- Don't be so hard on yourself. Garbled sentences ain't no big deal. :)) We are all friends here.
A sleepless night? I know the feeling.

However, the question still remains: show me those "grammar books [that] say something about verbs not commonly used in cont.? -I just thought "depend" was one of them-"

As an essay writer [the name I dare call myself], you can not be too careful. So, I am curious- maybe all those years I have been terribly wrong using 'depending'.
All I ask for is any _real_ proof of that, that's all.

 Lonely Knight

link 17.11.2011 13:22 
Sorry, don't have anything at hand, will look it up later...
So far only some dubious E-sources like:
http://www.myenglishgrammar.com/present-continuous-tense.html

Not exactly to the point, but still: an essay writer may easily use something that will not be approved by a Russian teacher of English ))

 Nite

link 17.11.2011 13:46 
о русских учителях английского давайте не надо, и так уже много сказано.
Check please the second portion of sentences. I will much appreciate this.

 Nite

link 17.11.2011 13:49 
2. The early economists believed that the price of commodity (to depend) on the labour which was needed to produce it. DEPENDED I think

 Lonely Knight

link 17.11.2011 14:19 
I vote for "depended".

"I believe the price depends on the labour..." + the usual "sequence of tenses" rule

 amat

link 17.11.2011 14:25 
Wolverin&Lonely Knight
Enterprise 4, Coursebook,Grammar Reference page 158. Virginia Evans-Jenny Dooley
According to the ladies DEPEND doesn't have continuous form.

 Lonely Knight

link 17.11.2011 14:38 
a guess: may be it has smth to do with meanings of "depend"? Like, "I was depending (=counting) on you" sounds more or less ok?

 amat

link 17.11.2011 14:56 
verbs expressing a permanent state rather than an action. These are;
verbs of senses
verbs of feelings\amotion
verbs of opinion (agree, suppose, understand...)
other verbs; belong, consist, depend, include, require.....)
However, Americans love writing "I'm needing your info ....."

 Wolverin

link 17.11.2011 15:22 
"Virginia Evans-Jenny Dooley" - (~книшко)
- "такая зеленая, как купорос? В печь ее!" (с)

- Представляю себе такую училку после киевского иняза. Ты ей - смотри, вот
как люди пишут, газеты, классические эссе (E.B. White, G. Orwell, напр), the Economist, etc.
- А она тебе - а ниипет! вот, вот учебничек! вот моя заветная методичка, я ее с иняза берегу, там все про "глаголы состояния"....нет, вы меня не собьете!

 amat

link 17.11.2011 15:38 
В Киеве не был, (а надо бы)

В моем личном бумажном словаре полно примеров этого глагола в континиусе, так что я никого не "сбиваю", просто констатирую. А где можно его употреблять, где лучше не надо, знает только грамотный носитель языка.

 Wolverin

link 17.11.2011 15:43 
amat,
это вы все на свой счет принимаете? - широкая у вас душа.

 Nite

link 17.11.2011 15:47 
господа, мы говорим о вузовской заочной контрольной. Проверять ее будет тоже далекий от "ношения языка" человек. Вы мне однозначно помогли, а я однозначно подзабыла грамматику, так как как ни учи глаголы состояния и проч. опят показывает, что в жизни все намного проще. Как думают, так и говорят, а ты как слышишь, так и повторяешь, не задумываясь.
Thanks everybody for good kick on/in/at (ненужное вычеркнуть) my ass.

 amat

link 17.11.2011 15:52 
Да ладно, чего уж там, теперича ничего не попишешь с такой душой-то-) ( Разве что почитаешь-)

 

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