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 Julia Newman

link 18.06.2009 16:08 
Subject: tips included by customers in cheque or credit card payments were too imprecise a basis on which to found a legitimate expectation giving rise to "possessions" within the meaning of Article1 of Protocol1 of the Convention law
Any solicitors out there? Could you please help me with this? Many thanks

 Earl

link 18.06.2009 16:19 
Solicitors here? Wrong number lady.
Just in case--What do you want with this?

 Julia Newman

link 18.06.2009 16:29 
Hi Earl, well, its a case of dispute between the waiters and their employee, who used their tip money to top up their basic minimum wage, and wasn't giving them as an additional pay. I wonder what that sentense should sound like in Russian. Thank you again

 Julia Newman

link 18.06.2009 16:30 
Sorry, I ment employer

 User_name_value

link 18.06.2009 16:36 
Before I give it a try (not as a solicitor--as an attorney admitted in the United States) why on earth do you want that queer stuff in Russian? Or better still, who wants it in Russian? No name needed, just the type of guy who'll be reading it. Not just curious; it may help as well.

 Earl

link 18.06.2009 16:43 
Sorry about the garbled handle; the reply above's mine. Go on Julia.

 Kirsha

link 18.06.2009 17:22 
Ввиду чрезмерной неопределенности понятия чаевых, оставленных клиентами при оплате чеками или кредитными картами, заявления о том (ожидание того), что чаевые являются "собственностью" в значении, предусмотренном в Статье 1 Протокола 1 Конвенции, лишены (лишено) законного основания.

 Julia Newman

link 18.06.2009 17:26 
Well, I am translating this article, published in "The Times",( a Law Report on waiter's tips) for publication in a quality newspaper of my target language - Russian. And that is only one of many sentences that I need some help with. ( If any one is up for it?)

 Earl

link 18.06.2009 17:42 
Too little context to go on. Can you give us the link to the whole source?
Thanks.
Btw, when is your deadline?

 Julia Newman

link 18.06.2009 18:05 

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TRANSLATION TO BEGIN HERE:

Tips issue governed by job contract

The manner in which waiters' tips are dealt with relates to contractual arrangements between the parties concerned.

The European Court of Human Rights held, by 6 votes to one, that tips included by customers in cheques or credit card payments were too imprecise a basis on which to found a legitimate expectation giving rise to "possessions" within the meaning of Article 1 of Protocol 1 of the Convention.

The case concerned the use of tips left by customers for the applicants in the form of an addition to a cheque or credit card payment. Rather than distributing cash equivalents to the amounts left by the customers, the applicants' employer included what was referred to as "additional pay" in their weekly pay slip.

The applicants sued their employer for breach of contract because that additional pay had been counted towards the overall minimum wage they were legally entitled to receive during a six-year period prior to March 6, 1989.

They maintained that that additional pay was money intended for them and held in trust for them by their employer which could not form part of their basic salary. They claimed they had in effect received less than the minimum wage during the period and were therefore entitled to damages.

Article 1 of Protocol 1 of the European Convention on Human Rights provides:

"Every natural or legal person is entitled to the peaceful enjoyment of his possessions. No one shall be deprived of his possessions except in the public interest and subject to the conditions provided for by law and by the general principles of international law."

The Court noted that it had not been disputed that the legal title to tips paid by customers using cheques or credit cards passed initially to the applicants' employer.

Tips so paid became the property of the employer for the simple reason that the vouchers signed by customers were made out in the employer's name.

It was for the applicants to come to a contractual arrangement with their employer as to how the tips at issue were to be dealt with from the point of view of their wage entitlement. However, they could not rely on Article 1 of Protocol No 1 to base a claim to a higher level of earnings.

For the above reasons, the Court found that there had been no breach of the applicants' right under Article 1 of Protocol No 1.

Before the Court, the applicants had not established that either the applicable legislation or its interpretation by the domestic courts discriminated against them vis-a-vis employees in other sectors of employment covered by that legislation.

The Court therefore held that there had been no violation of the applicants' rights on that basis.
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