Subject: "is vs. are" не дайте подраться друзьям Как правильно?Construction and exploitation of oil storages and tanks at sea is banned. Только прошу учесть что все не так просто как кажется на первый взгляд. Спасибо заранее. вышел такой приблизительно спор: Здесь запрещено строительство и добыча 2. Строительство и добыча запрещены здесь 1. Sometimes it's all about how you see the subject: Here, exploration and developement are treated as a unit taking the singular form of the verb is. 2. Это тоже видели. Но там вначале говорят что are. По-моему это как в случае с fish and chips. Исклбючением когда пишется is могут быть такие примеры как fish and chips, peas and carrots, etc. Эрнст энд янг – опытная компания. Тоже самое. И они (Construction and exploitation) же they правильно? 1. Но договор всегда подписывается на construction and exploitation. 2. Ну и что. На Них подписывается, да? И Единственный аргумент который я могу придумать против себя – это то что is обозначает каждого вместе и по отдельности давай забьем в мтране. 1. Я тебе говорю, они также будут париться как и мы Запрещено строительство и добыча Но не Запрещены строительство и добыча, запрещены неверно, я не рехнулась, ты меня немного конфьюзд. 2. Запрещены правильно и грамотнее по-русски. Но это всего лишь имхо. 1. я бы настаивала на is не знаю почему. 2. Разве это обоснование? А я бы на are настоял. 1. 2. Избежная. А так ты была бы права 1. Construction - это основное, все что потом вытекающие последствия, поэтому is 2. По-моему неважно основное или нет 1. Важно, exploitation никогда не будет без construction never ever ever 2. О чем ты? Смотри: Можешь кричать сколько угодно. 2. 1. Где цитата? Я тоже могу сказать по-русски грамотно запрещенЫ, глагол НЕ ставится в форму подлежащего и оно там НЕ по одному прав первый или второй? |
Это из теста по английскому. Английский там не очень. Вопрос не в этом. |
Такие правила обячно хорошо объясняются в Style guid-ах http://multitran.ru/Download/Technical_Style_Guide.zip A singular verb is common in English with a double subject if it is felt to form a whole: |
the sentence above in the same Technical Style Guide: Each and every are usually singular in usage. |
Checking and stamping the forms IS the job of the customs authorities. here, it is clear that it is felt to form a whole, because we see THE JOB, you can't say ARE the job. we've got a different sentence Construction and exploitation of oil storages and tanks at sea is/are banned. |
they ARE BOTH banned. |
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link 3.07.2008 9:47 |
it is banned. |
why IT? it is banned to do smth. there is no it, what we got here is THEY |
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link 3.07.2008 9:50 |
it is const and expl, it is banned, const and expl at sea is banned. |
the first google answers for "is vs are" are: http://www.englishforums.com/English/IsVsAre/djvgk/post.htm Some seemingly compound subjects that have an "and" but that are considered as a single unit can take the singular "is." Like "fish and chips" is a favorite dish, or "peas and carrots" is the side dish tonight. But as you say, generally the "and" will create the need for "are." http://www.proz.com/kudoz/english/other/358967-is_vs_are.html |
Len, where ARE your arguments. it is const and expl, it is banned, const and expl at sea, and they are both banned, right? |
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link 3.07.2008 10:06 |
construction and exploitation is one "do" at sea, logical. it is not possible to prohibit construction of a new tank and permit exploitation to this tank (funny thing), as well as it is not possible to construct a tank and then prohibit its exploitation at sea, without a permit to explore no-one in the world will construct it ;) |
this one makes it clear to me: http://en.allexperts.com/q/General-Writing-Grammar-680/vs-11.htm uestion Answer I'm glad to help. The correct sentence is "I hope one of them is correct." The subject of the sentence is "one" and that needs a singular verb, "is". For example, if you took out the "of them" it becomes clearer: "I hope one is correct." The phrase "of them" is a prepositional phrase and only describes "one", your subject and does not influence your verb at all. Now, if your sentence were "I think two of them are correct", you would use "are" because the word "two" is plural. You could check it by substituting nouns for the word "two": I think Jane and Mary are correct. If you are still confused let me know. |
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link 3.07.2008 10:13 |
Mir stop digging! here should is. |
Lena, what you're sayin' is a bit different. what IS the difference if THEY ARE one "do" at sea? what is the difference if it possible or not to prohibit construction of a new tank and permit exploitation to this tank (funny thing), as well as it is not possible to construct a tank and then prohibit its exploitation at sea, without a permit to explore no-one in the world will construct it ;) what we're talking about is that both construction and exploitation are banned. this is not fish and chips, you see. Construction could be banned, so is exploitation (THEORETICALLY, of course), but you can't hire Ernst without hiring Young. |
Please, stop arguing without any arguments, Len. |
ernst & young is a very experinced company, but both e&Y and Deloitte are involved in the tender procedure in our company. |
auditing and (all the required) inspections are carried out by E&Y now as it turned out to be a winner. |
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link 3.07.2008 10:22 |
we are talking about construction and exploitation as one activity at sea to tanks.. and you are just mixing everything what is possible to mix, good luck!! |
how can you exploit an oil tank? it's a mystery :-) |
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link 3.07.2008 10:40 |
exploitation vs. operation - yes you should to. I guess. english is not polished in the test, the key point is the verb to be. |
first you construct, only then let it exploit. Why do you think they form a whole? One better look it up in some trustworthy source, and cite here |
The problem is that probably both are possible. A singular verb is common in English with a double subject if it is felt to form a whole: Some do feel like to form a whole and some not. But it certainly should be put somewhere that this one is correct and that one is not. just could not find it. |
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link 3.07.2008 10:54 |
I feel it))) just like this. |
I think i should bring in the russian here. Translation was clearly made from Russian into Engllish: Строительство и эксплуатация хранилищ и резервуаров нефти на море запрещается |
or not as clearly... |
it shoud've sounded like: Construction and operation of oil storages and tanks at sea is are banned. |
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link 3.07.2008 11:08 |
запрещаЕтся - is perfect. |
Ну Лен, ну не факт. many happy returns -с днями рождения! |
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link 3.07.2008 11:23 |
а ЭиО (эксплуатация и обслуживание) тоже -ются??? |
Привет всем! А мне кажется, что "are". Хотя не могу обосновать, тоже просто чувствую :) Здесь логика не столь важна, как мне кажется (то, что строительство не может быть без эксплуатации или наоборот)... здесь важна грамматика. Construction and exploitation = they, значит "are". Чисто имхо |
Construction and operation of [any] offshore oil storage facilities are not permitted. |
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link 3.07.2008 11:59 |
it sounds a bit strange, but are so are. |
Лен, долг платежом красен:) |
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link 3.07.2008 12:17 |
не беги впереди паровоза. |
неприступная какая. "but are so are." your words |
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link 3.07.2008 12:23 |
yes, but, well, my bad(( |
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link 3.07.2008 15:09 |
А простое детское правило из учебников разве уже отменили? There is a chair and two tables in the room. There are two tables and a chair in the room. |
at sea - это прикольно :-)()) |
langkawi2006 - а причем именно ЭТО правило? D-50 - Прикольно, да. Но это тест такой, какой есть, нужно лишь выбрать более или менее правильный ответ. |
2langkawi2006, anyway, a chair and two tables ARE in the room. two tables and a chair ARE in the room am i right? |
a chair and two tables is the only furniture in the room :) |
nephew, спасибо. так и напишу. construction and operation of oil storage and tanks is the only thing that's banned:) |
at sea and exploit это малапропизм :-)) сравните: Он всегда аккуратно эксплуатирует нож и вилку когда употребляет пищу в вечернее время :-))) offshore and operate :-) |
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