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link 2.06.2017 10:31 
Subject: ОФФ: Для тех, кто сомневается :-) gen.
Несколько советов от американских граммар-наци:

absent, lacking -- Absent means not present or missing, lacking implies need or requirement. Data are lacking means that the data are available but we want more.

accuracy, precision -- A measurement can be precise without being accurate. Precision relates to values reported in very small increments; accuracy reflects the correctness of those values.

all of -- Except with pronouns, of is unneeded (e.g., all the drill bits, but all of them).

allow, enable -- Allow means to not prevent from happening; enable means to facilitate happening. The construction "allow to" is not correct in English, since allow must take an object as in the following example: Unfortunately, this type does not allow programmers to use arbitrary types in the component interfaces...

alternate, alternative -- Alternate means one after the other; alternative means one or the other.

although, whereas -- Although means regardless of the fact that; whereas suggests but at the same time, or while on the contrary.

among, between -- Use among when referring to three or more and between when referring to two (between A and B) or to reciprocal relationships shared by two or more (e.g., unitization between the operators).

as much as, up to -- As much as is better than up to for describing an upper limit. Up to implies a position in space and logically should be coupled with a proceeding from.

as -- Often imprecise when used as a subordinate conjunction indicating cause. Sometimes used to mean while, when, because, or since. Choose the precise word.

as to whether, whether or not -- Whether is usually sufficient.

assure, ensure, insure -- Assure means to encourage, ensure means to make certain. Insure should be used when referring to underwriting a loss.

based on, on the basis of -- Based on modifies the noun in the main clause of the sentence; on the basis of modifies the verb.
Based on poor results, our decision was to terminate the project.
On the basis of poor results, we decided to terminate the project.

below -- Do not use as a synonym for less than.

calculate, compute, determine, and estimate -- Calculate means a sophisticated mathematical operation; compute suggests straightforward arithmetic, determine means to find out exactly; estimate may involve calculations or computations, but also implies use of judgment and a result that is not necessarily exact.

can, may -- Can suggests ability; may expresses permission or possibility.

compare to, compare with -- Compare to implies resemblances between essentially different ideas or things; compare with implies contrasts between essentially similar ideas or things. Thus, waterflooding operations compare to gaslift operations; well 1 production compares with that of well 2.

complement, compliment -- Complement means (1) fill up or make complete, or (2) the quantity required to complete something (e.g., the personnel of a ship), or (3) one of two mutually completing parts. Compliment means praise or respect. Complimentary means without cost.

conduct -- Conduct is a good verb for leading an orchestra. Moreover, it is often superfluous: to conduct tests means to test.

conform to, conformity with -- Conform to practice, to a design, conformable to, but in conformity with.

connote, denote -- Connote is to imply; denote is to be explicit.

contrast with, contrast between -- Contrast (verb) with; contrast (noun) between x and y; x is placed in contrast with y.

correspond to, correspond with -- Correspond to (things), correspond with (people).

currently, presently -- Currently means it is happening now. Presently means it will happen soon.

data -- Takes a plural verb. Datum is singular; datums is correct for bench marks and time markers.

differ from -- One thing differs from another.

due to -- Use through, because of, caused by, resulting from, owing to if possible.

due to the fact that -- Use because.

effect, affect -- Effect means result (noun) or to bring about (verb). Affect means to influence.

employed -- Use used instead.

encounter -- Encounter means to meet unexpectedly, to come face to face with hostile forces. Encounter is a favorite verb of authors who prefer longer, more impressive-sounding word than meet or find.

etc. -- Means and so forth and should be used at the end of a list that makes clear exactly what kinds of other things are implied. Not correct when used at the end of a list introduced by such as or for example.

fact -- Actual fact and true fact are redundant expressions. All facts are true and actual.

farther, further -- Use farther when distance is implied, further when referring to time or quantity.

graph -- A graph (noun) is a drawing that exhibits a relationship. Use plotted (verb) when you mean to locate points or figures on a graph.

having -- It is better to use with.

hopefully -- Means with hope. Incorrectly used in “Hopefully, we can leave tomorrow.” Correct use would be, “‘We should be able to leave tomorrow', he said hopefully.”

if, whether -- If implies uncertainty, whether implies an alternative.

imply, infer -- Something suggested or indicated is implied; something deduced from evidence is inferred. A writer implies and a reader infers.

in order to -- Simply use to.

input -- Often used incorrectly as a verb; enter is a verb, and input is a noun.

irregardless -- Incorrect; use regardless.

kind, type -- Kind is the better word in reference to a general group or category. Type is better for a specific group.

less, fewer -- Less refers to quantity, fewer, to number. (“We used less cement and fewer truckloads.”)

limited -- Limited should be used in the sense of confined or restricted but should not be used in the sense of few, scanty, or small.

located -- Use positioned instead where applicable and necessary; usually, however, just remove as redundant.

none -- Uses singular verb when meaning no one or not one.

only -- Only goes next to the word it modifies. “The standard is based only on data from one source.” The same rule applies to primarily, largely, principally, mainly, partly, and completely.

over -- Means above in a physical sense; do not use as a substitute for more than or greater than.

presently -- Change to currently or to at present

principal, principle -- Principal (noun or adj.) means first or foremost. Principle (noun) means a basic truth or determined course of action.
proved, proven -- Proved (verb) is the past tense of prove, meaning to establish truth or validity. Proven is used as an adjective that is used directly before a noun, meaning verified, as in a proven talent.

rare, scanty, scarce, sparse -- Rare denotes things very uncommon or few in total number (rare old coins). Scanty implies bare sufficiency or an inadequate quantity (scanty rainfall). Scarce applies to ordinary things locally not abundant (scarce stones, scarce vugs). Sparse means spread thinly (sparse bushes, sparse dots).

significant -- Does not mean much. It means important, heaving a meaning. Do not write significant amount of oil, write much oil.

since -- Implies passage of time; use because when meaning the reason for.

so as to -- Use thereby.

takes into account -- Use accounts for.

terrain, terrane -- Terrain refers to a topographic landscape configuration (a hilly terrain). Terrane refers to a geological or lithological areal expanse (a metamorphic terrane, a heavily tectonized terrane).

that, which -- That is the defining or restrictive pronoun; which is the non-defining or non-restrictive pronoun.
The products that were produced at high temperatures were unstable. [This implies that other products were not produced at high temperatures.]
The products, which were produced at high temperatures, were unstable. [This implies that all the products were produced at high temperatures and were unstable.]

typical -- Typical should mean just what it says: that, which typifies. Do not say a typical peak of the curve if the curve is typically flat and has just few peaks.

unique -- Means without equal. There can be no degrees of uniqueness. Thus, almost unique, totally unique, partially unique, etc., are incorrect.

upscale -- Use scale up as the verb form.

using, by using -- Generally substitute by use of (for using) or with (for by using).

utilize -- Use is preferable.

via -- Means by way of in a geographical sense, not by means of.

where, which -- Where refers to physical location; which (generally preceded by a preposition) refers to other circumstances, such as condition. Depending on the sentence, the preposition may be different: at which, by which, in which, with which, etc. Always separate a “which” phrase with a comma.
Incorrect:
There have been four studies where the results contradict these findings.
Correct:
There have been four studies, in which the results contradict these findings.

whose, of which -- Whose refers to something owned or possessed by a person or a country; of which refers to something owned by or pertaining to a thing, such as a physical property of it.
Incorrect:
The experiment, whose results are widely accepted, has not been duplicated.
Correct:
The experiment, the results of which are widely accepted, has not been duplicated.

 Bultimdin

link 2.06.2017 11:02 
Спасибо за список.
Ну, много чего хорошо известно переводчикам.
Но "compare to" и "compare with" - это реально нацизм, имхо.:)
"irregardless" - впервые вижу.:)

 Denisska

link 2.06.2017 11:07 
merci

 студент23

link 2.06.2017 11:07 
compare to vs compare with примерно как уподобить и сравнить
еще хороший учебник common errors (longman)
спасибо

 tumanov

link 2.06.2017 11:24 
Спасибо!

 laya shkoda

link 2.06.2017 11:29 
Bultimdin, в American Dad есть серия Irregarding Steve
там есть про irregardless
http://youtu.be/Wp50GQiG9Lw

 laya shkoda

link 2.06.2017 11:31 

 laya shkoda

link 2.06.2017 11:32 
у меня чет кривые руки, чтобы вставить нормально видео. Кто научит?

 azu

link 2.06.2017 12:29 
whose - меня всегда смущало, что в российских учебниках пишут о возможности употребления с неодушевленными предметами. Видимо, не зря)

 pborysich

link 2.06.2017 12:34 
"The construction "allow to" is not correct in English"

"... However, the number of occurrences of this phrase in technical/academic language in the BNC query results and also in the Reuters corpus suggests that the questionable construction is starting to establish a beachhead in accepted English writing of some genres. For example,

'The bill allows to incorporate state-owned companies quickly as the first step to their privatisation.' ...
'The key element in the Mont Sainte-Odile case is the plane 's abnormal descent rate. Nothing was recorded which allows to say if it was commanded willingly or unwillingly' ... "
http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/85069/is-the-construction-it-allows-to-proper-english

 4uzhoj moderator

link 2.06.2017 12:40 
whose с неодушевленными предметами встречается довольно часто

 Peter Cantrop

link 2.06.2017 13:10 
не всё так однозначно (то ж американцы):
http://www.learnersdictionary.com/definition/since

since

— used to introduce a statement that explains the reason for another statement

◾Since you've finished all your chores, you may go out and play.

◾Should we invite someone else since he can't go?

 Alexander Oshis moderator

link 2.06.2017 13:19 
Спасибо!

 Volinga

link 2.06.2017 13:22 
thanks

 Olinol

link 2.06.2017 13:37 
ага, теперь оригинальные документы станет читать еще больнее))

 heysartre

link 2.06.2017 14:25 
Интересно ознакомиться, спасибо!

 Bultimdin

link 2.06.2017 15:59 
"Bultimdin, в American Dad есть серия Irregarding Steve"

Спасибо за наводку, послушал. Там над этим словом смеются. Вообще интересно, насколько часто нейтивы так говорят. Это утрирование или это реально частый случай (как, например, в русском "одеть шапку"). Может, Джон Стивенсон скажет свое слово.:)

 Alex_Odeychuk

link 2.06.2017 16:11 
Спасибо большое за полезную информацию, 10-4!

 Рина Грант

link 2.06.2017 16:15 
Большое спасибо!
Джон, кстати, говорил, что whose с неодушевленными можно...

 интровверт

link 2.06.2017 17:34 
нейтивы склонились к тому, что whose с неодушевленными иногда очень прагматично (т.е. удобно), и потому можно

 интровверт

link 2.06.2017 17:43 
... поясню:
\\\ Incorrect:
\\\ The experiment, whose results are widely accepted, has not been duplicated.
\\\ Correct:
\\\ The experiment, the results of which are widely accepted, has not been duplicated.

в примере выше использование кошерного of which не слишком отягощает, и замена на whose не очень оправдана

но если фраза типа
The car, the passenger-side rear door window glass of which has been scratched, needs to be entirely replaced.
то тут whose облегчает прочтение более заметно
The car whose passenger-side rear door window glass has been scratched needs to be entirely replaced.

хотя пуристы и бездельники конечно негодуют (и будут негодуть)

 Petrelnik

link 2.06.2017 19:39 
о, спасибо, изучу!

 Codeater

link 2.06.2017 19:53 
Упер в анналы. Вообще, совсем недавно искал что-то по стилистике написания чисто с нефтегеологическим уклоном, и наткнулся на древнюю ветку 10-4, как раз с тем, что искал. В общем, пользуюсь случаем, чтобы выразить благодарность.

 ttimakina

link 2.06.2017 20:34 
Спасибо, Иван!

 Local

link 2.06.2017 20:36 
Намотаю на одно место (в смысле на ус)

 lidiya_pro

link 4.06.2017 13:15 
Codeater, а что это за древняя ветка, киньте, пожалуйста, ссылочкой. А то вдруг мне тоже надо, а я и не знаю)

 anghel13

link 5.06.2017 11:02 
Спасибо! Очень полезно и интересно, даже несмотря на то, что иногда интуитивно и так понятно.

 

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