Прошу поделиться опытом.
С уважением,
Евгений,
суровый г.Челябинск :)

Позволю себе не согласиться с Борисом Климзо при всем его авторитете. От программ переводческой памяти толк может быть и на небольших текстах, главное - наличие повторов. Т.е. тут уже все зависит от полноты вашей базы ТМ и степени подобия переводимого текста этой базе. Мои личные абсолютные рекорды: а) 7 страниц за 40 минут (заключительная глава отчета была процентов на 80 составлена из кусочков предыдущих глав); б) 19 страниц за 8-часовой рабочий день (текст был не особо сложный, я прочно сидел в теме, Традос радовал обилием повтров).

In the wacky west translation tends to be counted in words rather than знаки, and as I still have a problem with characters, I'll speak here about words...

It's generally recognized that 2,000 words a day is the going rate. Sure, you can do 3,000 or more one day, maybe a few days, but then you'll start to feel tired and stale. I once did 8,000 in one day, but it was easy interviews and very much the exception. Also the money was massive, which, let's face it, is a stimulus. But I agree generally with the 2,000 per-day idea. Of course, as we all know, numerous unscrupulous/plain ignorant customer companies, even translation agencies, think you should be churning out high quality, high quantity translation, but they're just out to exploit us. But in my experience and that of fellow translators at, say, certain international organizations, 2,000 words is fair and sensible.

By the way, if anyone's reading this... As regards all those fancy computer translation programs, perhaps you may be intrigued to know that the world's top translators (I mean the UN, NATO, etc.) don't use them. No doubt, they offer certain benefits, but nobody I know in the game makes use of them.

"...и вместо "левый" напечатать "правый"..." +100

Вообще, от текста зависит, конечно, банальную инструкцию к электрочайнику можно делать на первой космической; как то за 4 часа вечером забацал 9 страниц (кофеварка) )))

Ignolia: Thanks for your support. I'm adding you to my Christmas card list.

http://www.unjobmonster.com/24ddbd71911626f7d0e8-translator.html

http://74.6.238.254/search/srpcache?ei=UTF-8&p=united+nations+CAT+tools&fr=yfp-t-701&u=http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=united+nations+CAT+tools&d=4530469155111778&mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&w=e8800a4,7210c87b&icp=1&.intl=us&sig=bFRSLHVljqwi5Th6cpKQbw--

Also I read a judgement of the UNITED NATIONS DISPUTE TRIBUNAL, which under "The candidate does not meet the criteria:" included "did not demonstrate any knowledge of CAT tools"

Да и не представляю я себе, как ООН (или любая другая крупная организация) может работать без ТМ.

Нет, не один/.

Я тоже сам перевожу и сам печатаю. Но только один раз.
Второй раз то же самое я уже только подставляю.

Read what I wrote above more carefully: "nobody I know in the game makes use of them". That's 100%. As for "the world's top translators", I'm referring to a few friends of mine whom I consider to be brilliant translators. They work for the UN, IMF, etc. They don't use translation software. I didn't say outright that the UN,NATO et al don't make use of it.

Oh yes, and be careful about implying I'm telling fibs, sunny jim! The next time I'll send the boys round to stick a bat up your nightdress.

- сколько платют?
- пачиму за-МКАДовцам платют на порядок меньше чем масквичам?
- а пачиму заграничным платют больше чем масквичам и как можно бы отхватить себе кусочек?
- стоимость проживания - в Москве, около МКАДа, за МКАДом, глубоко за МКАДом, так далеко за МКАДом что получается в Америках (зачернуть ненужное)
- бюра - жадины-говядины, кидалы и хорошие. Агенства и как распознать в массе бюр.

а так же:
- жрачка
- выпивка
- последствия последних, особенно после пау-вау. Желательно с фотками.

Я не осуждаю, но сколько можно? Давайте лучше про жрачку, а? :))

7-8 стр. - для переводчиков на штатных позициях в других компаниях

9-10 стр. - для переводчиков на штатных позициях в переводческих компаниях (БП и т.д.)

1-125 стр. - для фрилансеров

Согласен с aprop все фибрами души: базы надо начинать копить тем лучше, чем раньше. Нет повторов - не беда: потом будут.

It goes to show once again that t'aint just the language per se - but the culture too.

Во-первых, ведь база терминов в TRADOS или любом другом ПО - это тот же словарь или глоссарий, но не в Excel или формате электронного словаря, а в более удобном для пользования интерактивном виде. Во-вторых, если переводчик переводит не слова, а смысл (надеюсь, у вас в БП такая практика?), то он в любом случае сопоставляет предлагаемые программой варианты, анализирует контекст употребления и только потом дает перевод.

Согласен с вами. Дело в том, что при использовании именно терминологической базы, у переводчика перед глазами всегда есть перевод термина, т.е. это больше похоже на техническую работу, нежели на творческую...хотя, у всех по-разному. В этом случае, в Традосе хорошо чертежи переводить.

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I'm rather mystified that you are taking this so seriously and are so offended. There was certainly no intention to be rude or to insult you. However, if you feel insulted, then please accept my apologies.

Just a few points, though, in my defence, if I may:

"Many a true word is spoken in jest". Agreed; but not necessarily is all cases. It's a nice little saying; it doesn't hold for all instances at all times.
"any promise of action like in your joke is a promise of punishment" - do you really think I was planning to "send the boys round"? I really cannot believe that.
"By saying "do not threaten me" I meant "do not tell me not to argue". That's an odd way of phrasing it, particularly for one as yourself with considerable English-language skills. Why not simply say then, "don't tell me not to argue"?
"from my experience ..."stick up" (or shove up) has a very bad meaning, especially with "a bat" (meaning "a large diameter rod"." Well from your experience maybe. Okay, "bat" maybe "a large diameter rod" as well as an animal, but, it clearly couldn't mean the former here in view of the context. Were I to say to somebody, for example, "stick your book up your shirt", that would mean "put your book inside your shirt" (presumably for concealment purposes). Where's the "bad meaning" in that? The verb "shove", as I'm sure you know, is cruder, so equating "stick up" with "shove" is not quite fair.
"And usually it is "arse" rather than nightdress that follows". Not at all (see above). And, forgive me, I didn't write "arse", but "nightdress", which is hardly the same thing. I doubt if many people confuse the one with the other. Can't see that holding up in a court of law (Prosecution: "He said 'nightdress', your honour, but as we know the word combination "stick up" can sometimes be followed by "arse"". Judge: "Can it, by God? Hang Harry Wharton!")
"the form of address you used (Проснись - for people you know or teenagers) was not really good for the case". Debatable, but many users of MT address each together using the "ты" form. I can't believe they all "know" each other. also, I doubt if it would have made much difference if I'd written "Проснитесь".
"As for the sense of humor, I used to spend hours (some 2000) with English and Irish installation engineers in pubs or at lunch (normal hours at work excluded)." Blimey, that must of been a fun time if you were counting the hours .... But, pray tell, what is it especially about "English and Irish installation engineers in pubs" that necessarily implies you've acquired a knowledge of/sympathy with British humour? I assume you're suggesting that they're roughty-toughty sons of toil. Well, judigng by your conspicuous failure to see any humour in what I wrote, it doesn't seem to have done you much good. Maybe you would have done better to have spent 100 hours in a deckchair, sipping gin and tonic and reading Jerome K. Jerome, all, indeed, watching episodes of "Fawlty Towers", where I took the offending phrase from (very glad to see that one MT -er picked up on that...).
"'I believe you know the language and jokes they use". I'm afraid I don't. Not all English natives, you may be surprised to learn, spend time hanging out with "English and Irish installation engineers in pubs". Not to worry, I'll put it to my British friends that from now on we'll make it a matter of policy to seek them out.
"But they were always careful and didn't make jokes on local people they didn't know" Does that imply they made jokes about local people they did know, about non-locals they did/didin't know? Not quite with you on that one, I confess.
"Therefore, I never expect conversations about my "underpants", at the first meeting at least:" I take back what I said above about them being "roughty-toughty sons of toil". You were lucky, mate. British "pub" humour can be very vicious, with no nicities for newcomers. Are you sure these were "English and Irish installation engineers" and not the members of Mrs Miggins Knitting Circle? I must admit, though, I've never in all my life had anyone talking in a pub about my (or their own) underpants. I take my hat off to you. Maybe my British chums have and I've missed out. Will ask.
"So let's attribute the case to mutual cultural misunderstanding (as they'd say in the UN, I guess)... and to another 7 years, when I interpreted for two honourable English businessmen." Yes, that's something in all serious (for once) that I fully endorse.

I admit to having enjoyed scribbling this little missive and, okay, I've had a bit of fun. However, I ask you to realise that nothing I write here or elsewhere on MT is meant to insult anyone. If you or whoever thinks the contrary, then, again, my apologies. It's what's called a "wicked sense of humour", which, I grant, is not to everbody's taste. Mind you, I've always found the Russians, Ukranians and Belorussians to have a very highly developed sense of ironic humour (which is not something I could say collectively about most nations on the continent).

With all best wishes,

Harry Wharton

Just a short one:
"I believe you know the language and jokes they use". I'm afraid I don't. Not all English natives, you may be surprised to learn, spend time hanging out with "English and Irish installation engineers in pubs"

You may be surprised as well - not all Russian natives read Jerome in original. But some of them do hang out with English guys in pubs.
Back to literature; In fact, I prefer The Father of Science Fiction.

And I did'n count hours. One skilled in the art (of maths) would understand my calculation, as they say in patent offices:)

Best regards to you also,
AVPro

да ни о чём не думают =))
написать в 100500 мест (и забыть) проще, чем подумать один раз. особенно если учесть, что подумать - это ж надо еще уметь, а написать любого бандерлога можно научить и мотивировать =) тем более что бандерлогов вокруг много, очень много ююю

Их прикрепили на уровне плинтуса, и надо было встать в двусмысленное положение, чтобы распознать цифры.

Для себя давно установил норму для планирования 6 стр., что бы не попадать в цейтнот. Может быть я недоПРОФИ, но бывает просидишь битый час с каким нибудь очень важным термином, который придумал китайский англоязычный автор, и все планы ломаются.
Особый кайф когда нужно перевести корявую стандартную фразу из инструкции, чувствуешь: есть устоявшаяся приглаженная версия в русском канцелярском языке, и точно - вот ТРАДОС услужливо извлекает ее из небытия. Иначе - муторная борьба за смысл с привлечением лучших умов МТ.

нету там никакого выращивания
если только специально не посвятить этому занятию время

базы наполняются, я про СВОИ БАЗЫ ПЕРЕВОДЧИКА,
ОДНОВРЕМЕННО с выполнением переводов.