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 Serge Toper ✉

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 link 7.12.2007 9:28 
Subject: I don't have vs I haven't

 mahavishnu ✉

link 8.12.2007 5:08 
Согласен. Всё закономерно. После войны в английский хлынули американизмы. А теперь стал замечать, что американцы стали более терпимы ко всему британскому. 150 лет назад известный лексикограф и реформатор спеллинга Ной Уэбстер пытался создать вариант английского языка, который бы отличался от Британского как языка противных колонизаторов. Вот от него всё и пошло-поехало: "As a spelling reformer, Webster believed that English spelling rules were unnecessarily complex, so his dictionary introduced American English spellings like "color" instead of "colour", "wagon" instead of "waggon", "center" instead of "centre", and "honor" instead of "honour". He also added American words that were not in British dictionaries like "skunk", "squash", and "music"." Его совсем не волновало происхождение слова - главное простота и доступность. А вот правильно ли это? Но всё чаще можно видеть повсюду и theatre, и centre. Снова back to the egg?
Да-а-а, язык, он постоянно изменяется. И ничего с этим не поделаешь. Вопрос только в том - совершенствуется он или упрощается. Наверное, скоро всё будет как в Кин-Дза-Дза - "цак, "пацак" и "ку". Или как в старину монголо-татары считали: "Один, два, много, тьма".

 Angi25 ✉

link 22.02.2017 9:54 
Всё-таки DEM был прав) в конструкции "I haven't got" got- основной смысловой глагол, а have - вспомогательный. И это как раз из серии "так исторически сложилось))) Вот объяснения носителя языка с другого форума, где поднимался такой же вопрос:
The "I haven't got" form is less formal; it is more common in Britain.

Both forms are correct.

The present perfect "have got" is understood to mean the same as
the present "to have"....
when it is used to express possession of a (thing, relationship, or state)

Why? Because one of the meanings of "get" is "to come to have"

If you "have come to have a cold.... then you've got a cold...or you have a cold.

Examples:

Positive........................................................NEGATIVE

I have a cottage in the country.................I don't have a cottage in the country.
I've got a cottage in the country................I haven't got a cottage in the country.
I have a brother.........................................I don't have a brother.
I've got a brother...................................I haven't got a brother.
I have a cold..............................................I don't have a cold.
I have got a cold........................................I haven't got a cold.

There is a difference between British and American usage of the participle "got".

In Britain "got" is the past participle of the verb "get".
It it used to express possession....I've got something.
It is also used to form the perfect tenses ...have got ...had got

In America two past participles are used with the verb "to get" (got and gotten)

In America "have got" is used only for the present tense expression of possession.
Example:
I've got money........means.......I have money ......or I have money in my possession.
I've got my grade.....means ........ I have my grade , etc.

For other meanings,the present perfect and past perfect forms of "to get" in America are formed with the participle "gotten".

Examples:

I get money.......I haven't gotten money......I hadn't gotten money.......(received money)
I get my grade......I haven't gotten my grade......I hadn't gotten my grade...received my grade)

 edasi ✉

link 22.02.2017 13:48 
весело было
надо поднимать время от времени

 

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